Lila Rose takes down pro-abortion commentator who likens a preborn child to a corpse

Live Action president and founder Lila Rose recently returned to the @Whatever podcast with Students for Life of America president Kristan Hawkins. The two debated fate, whose legal name is Steven Bonnell and is known for his political online content, according to his website. The three faced the issue of abortion. Here are three of the highlights of the five-hour debate. Watch the full highlight reel below:

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The unconscious coma patient

The basis for Destiny’s pro-abortion stance is her false belief that life begins at consciousness. To defend this argument, he asked Rose, “For a sleeping person, tonight when you sleep, you have a whole subjective experience right now. When you wake up, that experience continues. But a baby has never experienced…”

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Rose answered, “But, Destiny, what if I have amnesia and can’t remember anything? I was like a brand new, first moment of human consciousness. And during my coma, I lost all my memories, lost all sense of my personality, and when I came out of my coma I was like a brand new baby. Is it okay in that coma to kill me?”

The question seemed to take Destiny by surprise, as she responded, “I’ll have to think about that question.”

Preventing unusual care versus killing

At another point in the debate, Destiny argued that abortion is the same as disconnecting a person from life support. “Unplugging Grandpa is like unplugging a baby. You’re disconnecting both from a life support thing,” he said.

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Rose told Destiny, “There’s a difference between withholding extraordinary medical care, which would be like life support, and withholding ordinary medical care. For a child in the womb, they deserve the standard measure of viability in their natural habitat, their mother’s womb, until they are old enough to live outside the womb…. So making these analogies that really don’t work with what we’re actually talking about by saying, ‘Well, taking off life support is like having an abortion.’ They are not the same…”

Forced abortions are intentional and direct acts kill innocent children. On the contrary, does not give rare Means of care measures do not go beyond the usual scope of care to keep a dying person alive. The preborn child is alive in his natural, ordinary environment.

A preborn child is not a corpse

Destiny tells Rose and Hawkins: “I don’t believe you believe… that people have a right to live. My next question is: I will show you a person who has been dead for 10 days, the corpse is still human.”

Here, he strangely tries to compare a living preborn child to a dead person in an attempt to prove that Rose and Hawkins do not believe that all people have a right to life if they do not believe in a right to life for the former. dead people.

But preborn children did not die. They live and grow.

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He said that a preborn child has no brain activity and is therefore equivalent to a dead person.

Rose argued that Destiny’s definition of death was incorrect. “Death is defined as the complete and irreversible cessation of brain activity,” he said. “If that’s the definition of death, a child at 20-24 weeks in the womb doesn’t have that definition of death.”

Hawkins added that the preborn child has brain waves well into the first trimester. According to the Endowment for Human Development, brain waves begin at approx six weeks and two days in the womb.

Watch the full debate here.